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Jul. 31st, 2011

Bartime

Where are you going?

For many years, I have been trying to figure that one out. I also think that some of my friends are also working on that one. I could repost one of my favorite bits of sagely wisdom, which is the "Wear Sunscreen" lyrics, but this time, I am pondering the journey to find the answer as opposed to THE answer, which is different for all of us, in my opinion.

Here, now, are a bunch of quotes about that trip.

 "To have his path made clear for him is the aspiration of
every human being in our beclouded and tempestuous existence."
Joseph Conrad

"You are the only real obstacle in your path to a fulfilling life."
Les Brown

"Look at every path closely and deliberately....
Does this path have a heart is the only question.
It it does, then the path is good. If it doesn't, it is of no use."
Carlos Castaneda

"It's one thing to feel that you are on the right path,
but it's another to think that yours is the only path."
Paulo Coelho

"No path of flowers leads to glory."
Jean de La Fontaine

"True morality consists, not in following the beaten track, but in
finding the true path for ourselves and in fearlessly following it."
Mohandas K. Gandhi

"Towering genius disdains a beaten path.
It seeks regions hitherto unexplored."
Abraham Lincoln

"All paths lead to the same goal: to convey to others what we are."
Pablo Neruda

"Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen,
few in pursuit of the goal."
Friedrich Nietzsche

"Every path has its puddle."
English Proverb

"Pursue some path, however narrow and crooked,
in which you can walk with love and reverence."
Henry David Thoreau

"The world's a forest, in which all lose their way;
though by a different path each goes astray."
George Villiers

"Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden
path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road."
Francois Marie Arouet (Voltaire)

"Whether you follow an old path, or make a new one,
make sure you are on the way to a worthwhile destination."
Dr. Mardy Grothe

I got them from Dr. Grothe's weekly e-newsletter. It is always a good thing to read once a week.



Jul. 24th, 2011

Bartime

Soapbox alert!

Within the last year, I retooled this LJ so that I can more freely post things here that I want to. Which is mainly about my travels around this part of the world. My latest one was a trip up to Oshkosh to pick up some old Folkwear patterns from the University, stopping at the museum up there to say hello to the Archivist, who is an reenactor friend I have known for years, and stopping and buying cheese from Widmer Cheese. Last night, I met up with friends to watch the fireworks at Festa Italiana at the lake front, which is good little group thing. Thanks, Greg & Georgie, for putting out the call!

But, that is not why I am here today.

This morning, I watched my long time favorite TV show, CBS Sunday morning. I do admit that many of the segments are fluff. Or redundant to what I already know. I really like the commentary pieces, which could be called editorials, by the various contributors they have.

This morning, Travis Smiley, who has a show on PBS that is worth checking out, gave a commentary about a topic that I have been aware for years.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EdRE_nkZWU  Eleven years ago, I ran a temporary job agency here in Milwaukee. Most fo the people coming in were not the brightest. Occaisonally, I would get talking with just a few who were exceptions. They agreed with me that the big problem in the USA is not based on races, religions, beliefs, or nationalities, but was the rich versus the poor. The rich may be getting richer, but the number of poor is ever increasing. Not to mention those who do not realize that they are on the edge of being poor because they still have room on their credit cards, which the companies are always willing to give you another one. The economic problems that have rocked our country have pointed out that monster. And people still ignore it.

And this problem is not new. Back in 1979, PBS ran a series called Connections by James Burke. At the end of the series, he speculated on the growing gap between the Have's and Have Not's, which, back then, was based on technology. If you do not remember, a simple calculator cost around $100 back then. And it was not much better than one you can get for a dollar now! He could foresee that it could be possible for the Have Not's to rise up and destroy what they do not have.

Can you see where I am going with this?

For some years, not only have I worried that the Huddle Masses could openly rebel someday, but, the right charismatic person could motivate them to rebel in a violent manner that could be very harmful to my country.

An example of this is how Jesse Ventura got to be governor of Minnesota. He went around to bowling alleys and pizza palors and similiar places and got those who normally do not vote to go out and vote. Why did they? They knew him from action movies and pro-wrestling. And these days, it does not take that much to become a instant celebrity, thanks to the news and reality TV.

Something REALLY needs to be done about the growing poor and the gap between the rich and the poor, or the Have's and Have Not's, as Travis Smiley put it. I do not know what, but something. Back in the 60's, they concentrated on Education as a solution. That's only part of it. People need jobs! People need to be able to feel like they can get ahead and work their way out of poverty. The rich need to stop sending jobs to other nations. The rich need to stop thinking of the poor as sheep which can be replaced over and over again. The government needs to stop helping the rich become richer. And that includes mega corporations. Yes, help them when they need it, but only till they get on their feet again. And do not help them everytime they make the same mistake. They should learn, just like everyone else.

I think what everyone needs is a better sense of dignity and what is right versus what is easy. That alone could help those that have make less of those that have not.

And that was my soapbox rant, at least for a while.


Jul. 12th, 2011

Bartime

A Report about a Convention I will NEVER EVER work again

Over a year ago, I got a message from a buddy and former house mate that he was the Chair of the North American Discworld Convention, AKA NADWCon. He was interested in me doing something for the thing. I told him to talk to me after Costume-Con 28. He did. He asked me to run the masquerade, or maskerade, which is, apparently, the title of one of the books. Run a masquerade contest? Piece of pie! No problem.

So, I went to the first meeting, which was just about a year ago now. Besides my old buddy Josh Goes, there was Jon Manzo, who is very competent, and a bunch of others I did not know. I had confidence in Josh's ability to run the con, especially if he was smart enough to take advice from those who have done it before. Which he is. I am not too crazy about Jon, but he knows his stuff when it comes to Con work. And he is an attorney, which does have my respect from me.

There was one guy, Jon Lemerond, who acted like he was running the thing. I remember that he was introduced as Treasurer. The Treasurer is an important and powerful position, but, when it comes down to brass tacks, it is the Chair that should be "flying the ship."

Oh, just for reference, here are the committee bios:  http://www.nadwcon.org/Committee.html


In retrospect, maybe I should have taken one little thing at that meeting as an omen or warning. At the con, there is a big banquet with the GoH's, number one of which is Terry Prachett, or Sir Terry, as they call him. All the time. They had already received an e-mail from a man from Israel who wanted to go to the banquet but needed a Kosher meal. They had no idea if there was a Kosher deli in Madison. I live in Milwaukee and visit Madison frequently. I knew that Ella's Deli, which has been in Madison does Kosher. I think Jon Manzo knew that, too. But what really should have been a warning was that the people with the Uber Phones and Laptops were trumped by me in finding the beginning of the answer about Kosher deli's in Madison. The meeting was in the hotel, in a meeting room. I got up and started looking around. Within two minutes, I found a phone book. I flipped through it and found a Synagogue in the phone book. "Call them up and ask!" I said. Fifteen minutes later, someone with technology found the answer on-line. The Inter-tube is a useful tool, but, when it comes to a con, it will not tell you what to do when you run out of something during the con.

At that meeting, they told me that I was getting judges and that they were Terry and the other GoH's. In my experience, there are very few GoH's that make good judges for a masquerade. They told me that they have been doing it, so, learning that "they knew the drill," that made me feel better. They talked about getting sound and lights from, or through the hotel. That always costs too much money. I told them that I would try to find sound and lights, and guys in town to work them, in Madison. They said that other than judges, everything else was my call. Including the Master of Ceremonies.

I was wary when Jon Lemerond said he had a stage layout already. After he showed it to me, I said ok because I could see his logic. He did not tell me that there would be a second stage at one end of the area. I tried to get across to them that if the one stage was modified, I could work with it.

Well, the months roll along with little communication. I plug away at the stuff with occaisonal e-mails arriving.

Then, about two months ago, an e-mail goes around that Josh had to bow out due to medical problems. I knew he had a few things, but other than "medical problems," nothing else is said. A new person, Emily Whitten, was now the chair.

Around the beginning of June, she is telling me stuff no one had mentioned before. Like a guy named Pat Harkin was my MC. "He's a friend of Sir Terry and the fans expect him to do it." I already have one lined up. A good MC for a masquerade is very important, if you did not know. This coupled along with some other similiar stuff had me about three inches away from telling them good bye.

Also around that time, when I was at Duckon, I ran into a guy who has a big pet turtle who made a Discworld costume for it. I saw him last September at Geek Kon and mentioned NADWCon to him. I attempted back then to get him in contact with the higher-ups about him bringing Sheila, that's the turtle's name, to the con. He told me that he had not heard anything from the higher-ups. The very next day, there was an on-line meeting for NADW, and I mentioned it to the new Chair. Within days, I found my e-mails to the guy, and reestablished with him. I forwarded the e-mail to Emily and Jon. Wouldn't it have been cool to go to a con about Discworld and seen this wandering around:

Sheila is about two feet long, by the way! A few days later, I got an e-mail from Emily telling me what to tell Sheila's owner. I told her to tell him herself. But a bit more curt. I mean, I am just the Maskerade Director. I am not in charge of memberships or ambiance, which, at the on-line meeting, I heard was someone else's job. The week before the con, Emily sends an e-mail to the guy, with me cc'ed, which I don't know why she did, telling him about membeship rates and hotels to stay at in the area because the main hotel was full.

From her e-mails alone, I came to the conclusion that the new Chair had never been a Chair before. In my experience, the Chair of a con has to be the bad guy and the face of the con. In my book, you have to be polite but firm. Not nicey-wicey with staff like you might be with a friend. She was. Looking at her bio, she has only been a vice chair, which is vastly different, in most cases. And, I have to say, from how she dressed on Saturday and Sunday, she had no idea what being The Chair at the con really means. The Chair has to be ready to deal with the Guests of Honor, Attendees, Con Staff, Hotel staff of all levels, maybe the press, and, hopefully not, the police. A Chair should look professional, just in case. She was dressed in her costumes, which were nice for parties and drinking.

Oh, how's this for another fun change no one higher up told me that I should have been told: They told me many times, even at the meeting in June, which room was going to be the Green Room. Good thing I looked on the pocket program. It was the room across the hall, which was smaller. oh yippie.

Pat Harkin is a nice guy, and seemed like an alright MC, but I thought his intro was too long. It was another example of mistaking that the show is about the MC. It never is. Which is why the WindyCon Art Auction had a a bad reputation.

You may be asking youself "why did you do it?" Three reasons. The original chair is my friend, and I did not want to let him down, even if he was not there. #2: I wanted to preserve my good name in Fandom. #3: I did not want any of my friends to get stuck running the thing. I took one for the team.

I was also told that the maskerade was THE BIG THING Saturday night.

The house was only, maybe half full.

There were some good things about running that masquerade. I was able to recruit many of my good friends to help me get the job done. Like Jennifer, Greg, Georgie, Reena, Stacey, Bob, Judy, Gail and her daughter, and Char, even though she could not make it at the last minute. Knowing I had a good staff made the problems easier. I could not have done it without them. Hell, I would not have done it without them!

It was also nice finding out that the con's tech dude knew what he was doing. And getting a volunteer to run the house that had done it at the World SF Convention, and was asked to do it at upcoming ones. They made things go better, as well.

I also think I raised the bar on the Discworld Maskerade with two simple, but standard, in my book, things. The Judges had a clerk to help them get the judging done faster and be more organized, and pads of paper and pens. They liked both! A helper and some way to take notes. No other Mask Director thought of those? Really?
If I raised the bar, then good. MY Maskerade will be remembered and future ones will be compared to it. it may seem cold, but I do not care about the rest of the con. I was only there to do my job. And I believe that given the mess I was, I did.

If you are approached to work DiscWorld Con, be advised that they have a mentality that can be compared to Soviet Russia. "This is how it has always been done! We must do it EXACLTY the same way!" They have no concept that it is a travelling con and that each one should be unique. Yes, there are the usual things, but they should not be like McDonald's, looking the same year in and year out. Personally, I would advise you not to work this convention. I will not work it ever again!

Jul. 11th, 2011

Bartime

FILLER POST


I just posted the first group of photos from my adventure taking my friend's Tardis to the Bristol Ren Faire on Facebook. Here's the link. I hope it works. 

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/media/set/?set=a.10150227777828247.311429.503003246

If not, look for Mad Girl's Tardis July 3rd, 2011.

More photos coming soon.

And I'll be posting something up here, probably tomorrow about another stupid maskerade. The spelling of that is a hint!


Jul. 4th, 2011

Bartime

Thoughts about how to live

This has nothing to do with the holiday, but here are some quotes about how to live your life that I agree with.
 
"Just as you drifted through an entire day without a plan and
accomplished nothing, some people drift through their entire lives.
They do it one day at a time, one week at a time, and one month at a time.
The months run into years and span a life.
It happens so gradually that they are unaware of
how their lives are slipping by them until it's too late."
     Mary Kay Ash

"Don't be afraid of death so much as an inadequate life."
     Bertolt Brecht

"Life begins when a person first realizes how soon it ends."
     Marcelene Cox

"Stop acting as if life is a rehearsal.
Live this day as if it were your last.
The past is over and gone. The future is not guaranteed."
     Dr. Wayne W. Dyer

"Alas for those who never sing,
But die with all their music in them!"
     Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

"If you wish to live, you must first attend your own funeral."
     Katherine Mansfield

"Fear not that life shall come to an end,
but rather fear that it shall never have a beginning."
     John Henry Newman

"Don't fear your mortality, because it is this very mortality
that gives meaning and depth and poignancy
to all the days that will be granted to you."
     Paul Tsongas

"Never forget that a half-hearted attempt
to live a full life will always fail."

     Dr. Mardy Grothe



Jun. 28th, 2011

Bartime

Oh yea. I went to Duckon


A couple weeks ago, the 18th, I took a day trip to Duckon in Chicago. To me, its just another general SF Con. Its a bit of everything. The two big things they are known for are the never ending Build-A-Blink workshop, where you can build yourself a little blinky thing that you can wear in a short time, and the giant Tesla Coil show in the parking lot on Saturday night.

I did not go for those.

My friend Jennifer, you remember her, was running the masquerade. Not sure why she was at the last minute, but, she's my friend and she asked me to come down and help.

I slept in. I meandered my way down and got there around 1 PM or so. Oddly, I ran into my buddy Larry, who had also come down for the day, at registration. Go fig! First thing after that was to find Jennifer. Did that and gave her a chocolate bar from the Ghiradelli outlet store in Kenosha I stopped at on the way down. I hung with her for a while, then wandered up to the Chaos Costuming panel that the Chicagoland Costumers Guild was running. Talked to friends, then wandered off again.

I checked out the Dealers Room, hoping to find a patch from some anime series that I have never heard of, but I bought the patch years ago at some other con, and want a second one. Didn't find it. Found Mad Mike, who I know, who sells knives and swords. Cool guy. We chatted, then went and talked to a costume maker from St. Louis that I sort of know. I also talked to The Great Lukeski for a bit. I like it that when he talks to me, he drops the Lukeski act and we are just some old friends. Which we are.

Had a late lunch with Jennifer and her daughter Valerie, and called someone's bluff via a cell phone call to Lord Bobbins, the man behind TeslaCon in Madison this November.

We headed down about 5:45 to get the masq set-up for 7. To our great fortune, one of the Archon masq crew showed up on our laps to help out. Sheila did a great job training the young man! He was awesome! While setting up, I asked Jenninfer about who was her MC. "You want to do it?" What the hell! I wasn't dressed for it. Light tan jeans, my Dog N Suds t-shirt, and a straw cowboy hat. Eight entries. One no show. Lukeski did halftime. Small crowd, maybe 30, but it went well.

After, we headed to California Pizza for late dins. When we got back, the Tesla show was going. Ironically, it was playing the theme from Dr Who, which Jennifer is the #2 of. We giggled. I got my stuff out of her room and headed home.

Duckon is ok. Nothing against it. It's just that I am beyond those younger days when I felt I had to get to as many cons as I could. Also, I am not promoting any other con right now. I should promote TeslaCon, but that is doing fantastic without my help. Unlike another con coming to Chicago at the end of July, which I am not involved with. If I had gotten there earlier, I would have gone to Ikea, which was across the parking lot.

This Sunday, I am helping a Tardis go to the renaissance.


Jun. 12th, 2011

Bartime

More Time Travel!


On Saturday, June 11th, my friends Chuck Tritt and Julianne Hunter hosted the Cogs and Roses Steampunk Picnic at their very nice house in Mequon, Wisconsin. Despite the signs of doom for myself that morning, it was a great day! Getting ready for the picnic, two rivet buttons on my pants popped off, I broke a clasp on my double albert watch chain, had too many last minute panicking phone calls asking if I could dig out this or that, which is not easy to do in my submarine packed room, and was generally having too aggrivating of a time. If I was just going to go to some reenactment in garb, I think I would have just opted for Civies or not gone at all. But, by golly! I was determined to go! I knew that my friend Leslie Lambert was coming up from Indiana and I did not want to miss her!

On the way, Chuck and Julianne asked if I could stop and get some ice and some cream for coffee and tea. After stopping, calling them as to what kind of cream to get, because I do not drink tea and coffee, I got there a bit after noon. There was a croquette course and a badmitton game set up. I headed for the gin and soda first. And second.

If you are wondering if there were many people there, check this photo out!

I think there are only a few people missing from this shot! You can see me just right of center up on the porch between the two tan posts.

Here's a better shot of me, what I was wearing, and me firing a spud gun .
That's my friends Bob Seidel and Georgie Schnobrich in the background. It was fun to fire the thing!

Overall, it was a great time to make new friends and spend time with friends that I do not get to see all the time. Which is why I go to things like this, cons, reenactments, etc.

Today, my friend Leslie Lambert from Indiana, who is in the group shot, are going to the Bead and Button show in town. I'll put a comment about that later today.

Jun. 8th, 2011

Bartime

Travels in Time

Last weekend, I made a point of getting to a local event called Reclaiming Our Hertigage,
https://forohmilwaukee.org/Home_Page.php. Partly because I went last year and liked it, partly because I was jonesing for a reenactment, partly because it was the events last year.

Maybe.

Saturday, I went with my friend Char. The event that we amdea point of attending was a Historical Fashion show presented by the Historical Timekeepers. http://www.historicaltimekeepers.org/ They are a fun and knowledgable group that emphasize on Civil War period civilian clothes and activities. They put together a representation of a period town. My pictures from Saturday are up on Facebook, but anyone should be able to see them. http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/media/set/?set=a.10150192808318247.301678.503003246 
 

Char and myself did feel a bit out of place because we were in "Civies," as I call regular clothes when I go to reenactments in street clothes. I did get another yard of blue wool that is what NYPD uses for their dress uniforms from William Booth Draper, http://www.wmboothdraper.com/. I bought 4 yard from them at an event back in February for a frock coat. I just want to make sure I have enough fabric. If I have extra, I might be able to make a vest. I also got some soap from Dragonfly Soap, http://www.dragonflysoapworks.com/. I have to say that my favorite thing to get at reenactments is soap. I look at clothes, but I am getting picky about it.

Sunday, I went back by myself. I haven't got those pictures tweaked and posted yet. But I do have this one:

Yes, that is my "Teddy" suit, as I call it. There were supposed to be more Spanish American War guys there, but I found out that they were boycotting the event because they could not have alcohol on the site. My reaction is DUH! It is a Federal site, and there are many guys in the VA Center dealing with alcoholism. Have some respect, guys!

I was happy that some people recognized what I was doing. I have to learn how to lock in that Teddy smile and walk around.

They had a very nice parade of the troups from all periods at 3 PM, which they did in chronological order. After they all paraded out, the organizers made some small speeches and remarks about the event, which was very nice.

The reason the event is ending is not because the people who make it happen are tired. They are having a hard time financing it. On July 25th, they are having an open meeting at the VA Center to try to figure out how to keep it going. Char and I are going.

I know. I said I wanted to start going to things for fun. If I can work it right, I can help make it go and go to the thing for fun. I am just getting very picky about what I am working at and how I am working.

If you are curious, they get about 300 to 400 reenactors to come in for the weekend, and about 10,000 people come through during the event. Because it is on Federal ground, they can not charge admission. And they did not have their big sponsor this year.

I like reenacting. The clothes fit better. I like the history. And reenactors try to maintain some sense of manners and decorum.

Next weekend, I time travel again, with a bit of alternate reality travel. My friends Chuck and Julianne are having a Steampunk picnic that is drawing in people from Madison and Indiana! It starts at Noon and goes till late, long past usual Picnic time. Our friend from Indiana that is coming in wants to go to the Mustard Museum,
http://mustardmuseum.com/ Sunday and I am going to be friendly local guide because I have been there so many times!

I might go as Teddy, but I am leaning towards this outfit, which I like a bit better.

And if you think it looks garish, you should see it in person! I'd like to hear your opinion about which to wear. I have a psuedo-poll going on Facebook, and this one is winning!

Unitl next time:
"Every now and then a man's mind is stretched by a new idea or sensation,
and never shrinks back to its former dimensions."
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Jun. 2nd, 2011

Bartime

Quiet before the storms

Well, other than a trip to Chicago last weekend for Renata's TARDIS and Doctor party, I haven't done that much travelling. Or much exciting.

Which is why I haven't posted in a while.

The party was nice, with only minor confusion about buns for the brats and Slovainenes I brough and a friendly debate about par boiling them in beer, it was a nice time. It was this season's Doctor, which I have seen all the episodes, except for the last one, so it was fun to nit pick and watch some details. Like the space suit could have been better and the Secret Service guys had the guns. So far, The Doctor's Wife, written by Wisconsin resident Neil Gaimen, is the best.

It was also nice to chat with Jennifer about TARDIS this fall. I really like Jennifer. I wish it wasn't two hours to visit with her Philip and Valerie, their daughter.

Oh, in regard to TARDIS this November, let me just say this: Time Lords. Daleks. Time Wars. FLASH MOB. Dat's all I'm sayin'!

This weekend in Milwaukee is the Reclaiming Our History event at teh VA Center: https://forohmilwaukee.org/Home_Page.php Sadly, this is its last year. There is a Historical Fashion Show Saturday afternoon at 1:30 PM, so I will have to check that out. last February, I ran into a man who does Spanish American War and I pointed out to him that with the right outfit and glasses, I look like Teddy. He said that I need to come to the event as Teddy, and so I will.

On the 11th, my friends Chuck and Julianne are having a Steampunk picnic. Hopefully, no rain. People are coming from all over for the event. Teddy might show up there. Which would be semi-ironic. Apparently, not far from where they live is an old farm that was home to some important person over 100 years ago, and Teddy knew them and visited them. Cool, huh?

Also that weekend is the Bead & Button show: http://www.beadandbuttonshow.com/ Some of the Chicago Costumers are coming on that Saturday. They want me to join them for dinner, but who knows how late the picnic will go. My sister Ruth works the show, either as a volunteer, or, as I think I have heard, for a vendor that is coming. For the record, and any of the merry band of us that ventured into NYC during CC29 will attest, to me, beads are just shiny things.

I think the weekend after that, Duckon is in Chicago and there is a BIG rendevous in Praire Du Chien, WI. More on those next week. I'll have pictures from the Hertige event to post.

Other than that, I forgot how much I enjoy going for walks. And they are healthy for me.

Till next week, kepp your stick on the ice.


May. 17th, 2011

Bartime

Madison and its Costumers

I finally got to one of their meetings yesterday. Why are they on Monday's? They did have a good turn out for it, and I wasn't the only guy. There were four, including me.

I did get into Madison very early, but this gave me time to go to my company's Madison office and say hi to the people there I e-mail. That didn't take too long. To kill time, I hit a little German grocery store, then the National Mustard Museum (I'm not kidding about that!), hit an antique store, then into the heart of Mad City to kill more time. Made a reservation, finally, for the North American Discworld convention, for which I am running the maskerade, which is how they spell it. Then, the lure of Sacred Feather called me like the siren song it has always been. I did pick up four hats at Costume-Con 29, but those are winter hats. I needed yet another summer hat. When renaming this journal, there was the temptation to make a reference to being a Hat Junkie, but I have always like the title I am using.

The Madison bunch is full of enthusiasm, which is why I like them. They make fabric trips together, have little workshops, and are always happy for new people, like my old friend Cindy, to show up. She was surprised to see me. I was surprised at how big her daughter has become. Damn that Time wobbly bobbly stuff!

But I do have my own agenda with the costumers guilds in the Midwest! I am trying to promote communication and interaction between them. I have connections to Milwaukee, Madison, Chicago, St. Louis, and the Minneapolis ones are just starting. Yippie! Isn't that what conventions are supposed to be about? Meeting people from around the continent and making friends with them? That's why I like Costume-Con. But I already said that. I am just trying to make sure those connections grow for many.

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